[CLUG-chat] Re: clug-chat Digest, Vol 39, Issue 33

peter retief peterretief at gmail.com
Sat Aug 26 13:12:04 SAST 2006


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>    1. Re: Exploiting Open Source (Mike Morris)
>    2. Re: Exploiting Open Source (James Neethling)
>    3. Re: Exploiting Open Source (James Neethling)
>    4. Re: Exploiting Open Source (Andre Coetzee)
>    5. Re: 64-bit Linux (Russell Tiedt)
>    6. Re: 64-bit Linux (Russell Tiedt)
>    7. Re: 64-bit Linux (Russell Tiedt)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 14:51:18 +0200
> From: Mike Morris <mikro2nd at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [CLUG-chat] Exploiting Open Source
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> Charles Oertel wrote:
>
> > Sharks?  You honestly think I'm keen to surf after one of my buddies
> > lost a leg?  ;-)
>
> Hey!  At least they're honest about their desires and intentions.
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 14:50:00 +0200
> From: James Neethling <Jneethling at webmail.co.za>
> Subject: Re: [CLUG-chat] Exploiting Open Source
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 14:56:04 +0200
> From: James Neethling <Jneethling at webmail.co.za>
> Subject: Re: [CLUG-chat] Exploiting Open Source
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> > One company I know of, wants everything to be done using open source to
> > avoid license fees - but does not want to contribute anything the
> > community and even fired a whole team of developers with extreme
> > prejudice because they were worried that their idea might be exposed
> > (when it is all prior art anyway).
> >
> In any system, there are going to be free-loaders. That's just part of
> it. And the more entities join the system, the more free-loaders there
> are. This is not necessarily a problem. The FOSS movement isn't damaged
> by free loaders (software costs nothing to reproduce). Maybe some of
> them will contribute. eventually. Maybe someone that they influence to
> FOSS 'to save $$$' will see the light and be a positive influence to the
> community.
>
>
>
> > Tellingly, they think nothing of spending tens of thousands on legal advice.
> >
> Yeah. This is commonly referred to as 'the cost of doing business'.
> > And before this job, I lost money to another client who was driven by an
> > ambitious marketing manager who thought she would save her company a
> > living wage and had their site built by some youngster who seems to
> > specialize in Swiss cheese (you know, security holes all over).
> >
> Is it your system? - NO
>
> Just leave them a quick 2 page report as an 'industry specialist'
> indicating the problems that they are going to have and back away.
>
> slowly
>
> quietly.
>
> We all know what will happen. (and they'll probably find some demented
> way to blame you. okay, scrap that idea).
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 15:04:18 +0200
> From: Andre Coetzee <andre at do.co.za>
> Subject: Re: [CLUG-chat] Exploiting Open Source
> To: clug-chat at clug.org.za
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> On Friday 25 August 2006 13:46, Thomas Andrews wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 25, 2006 at 12:57:03PM +0200, Charles Oertel wrote:
> > > Has anybody else noticed that there are certain companies that are
> > > trying to exploit the goodwill and community of open source to their own
> > > benefit entirely with absolutely no regard for the people they hurt in
> > > the process?
> >
> > Charles please can you tell us who this is so that we can at least all
> > avoid them.
> or there websites! (and dislike them with you :)  )
>
> but agreed it is sometimes a really a selfish/sad world we live in
> (and sometimes it's a really cool/amazing/stunning world also)
>
> ;)
>
> andre
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 19:49:11 +0200
> From: Russell Tiedt <rtiedt at rusty.org.za>
> Subject: Re: [CLUG-chat] 64-bit Linux
> To: OSS-Related Technology Discussions <clug-chat at clug.org.za>
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> Andre Truter wrote:
>
> >I see Paul already mentioned Ubuntu and Debian.
> >SuSE also offer a well integrated 64-bit solution.
> >http://www.opensuse.org
> >
> >
> Am getting the netinstall version ...
>
> >You can just select the minimal install and it will give you a
> >no-gui-system. (Most of my installations are like that.  I only have two
> >SUSE systems with GUI, my laptop and my workstation)
> >
> >
> Nice knowing, thanks ...
>
> >It also works quite well as a desktop, with seamless integration of
> >64-bit and 32-bit applications.
> >
> >I never realized that OpenOffice is 32-bit until I read Paul's mail.  I
> >checked my OOo installation on my 64-bit system and found it to be
> >32-bit. (I suppose it is due to OOo's dependency on Java)
> >I have never had to do any fancy footwork to run 32-bit programs on a
> >64-bit system.  Just install and run it.
> >
> >
>
> Well as long as it works, then no reason for complaints, I suppose ... :-)
>
> >RedHat/Fedora should also have 64-bit versions available.
> >
> >
> Not keen on any of the graphical Linux versions, RedHat/Fedora, least of
> all, SuSE or Mandriva are most liked here, in that regard ...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Russell
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 19:50:58 +0200
> From: Russell Tiedt <rtiedt at rusty.org.za>
> Subject: Re: [CLUG-chat] 64-bit Linux
> To: OSS-Related Technology Discussions <clug-chat at clug.org.za>
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> Paul Scott wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 2006-08-25 at 06:35 +0200, Russell Tiedt wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>Seem to remember that Ubuntu, and Debian are/have 64-bit versions available.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Yes, both Ubuntu and Debian have 64bit version available. One thing to
> >keep in mind though, if you are going to use it as a desktop, it is
> >quite a mission to get things like openoffice.org installed, as they
> >only ship a 32 bit version on debian. Ubuntu ships with the 32bit libs
> >all set up and ready to go, and Oo.o installed by default (with the
> >desktop version). Other 32bit apps work seamlessly on Ubuntu, but
> >require some gymnastics on other distros.
> >
> >
> Hmm ... will be using as a desktop mainly ...
>
> Thanks for the warnings ...
>
> Regards,
>
> Russell
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 19:59:42 +0200
> From: Russell Tiedt <rtiedt at rusty.org.za>
> Subject: Re: [CLUG-chat] 64-bit Linux
> To: OSS-Related Technology Discussions <clug-chat at clug.org.za>
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> Roland Giesler wrote:
>
> >After using a number of Linux distros for a while (I'm still using
> >Ubuntu on my desktop running in VMWare on XP), I've recently loaded
> >PC-BSD on my desktop and 64bit FreeBSD 6.1 on some servers just to check
> >it out.  I'm so pleased with it, that I'm staying with it.  Maybe you
> >should try it.  I simply downloaded the boot ISO (just over a 25M if I
> >recall correctly) and let it install from ftp4.za.freebsd.org (which is
> >ftp.is.co.za).  You could even start the process from a boot diskette if
> >you which to.
> >
> >
> I liked FreeBSD last time I played with it, tho I never quiet got
> comfortable with their device naming conventions, and some software I
> run comes only in a Linux version, which would not run in Linux binary
> compatable mode, version 4.0 if I recall correctly ...
>
> >>Which distro's have a 64-bit version, and what are the URL's please.
> >>
> >>
> >www.freebsd.org
> >
> >
> :-)
>
> >>Seem to remember that Ubuntu, and Debian are/have 64-bit versions available.
> >>
> >>
> >Yes, and they work just as well.  One of my developers is running 64bit
> > Kubuntu I think.  On an Intel Celeron EMT64 nogal!
> >
> Am  going to get my son one of those next week ... :-)
> Cannot afford a genuine P4 ... :-((
>
> >> Linux distro, that allows easy access to the command console without
> >>having to load X/kde/gnome etc. preffered. i.e. Debian, Slackware etc.
> >>
> >>
> >Bash is a suprisingly able interface after all! ;-)
> >
> >
> Where I spend most of my time in Linux, also something that does not
> come standard with FreeBSD ...
>
> >>Might be time that I get used to a Linux Desktop, wether it be KDE Gnome
> >>or whatever.
> >>
> >>
> ><sharp blinding blue-light flash>You now don't remember that Gnome ever
> >existed.  There is no Gnome.</return to normal daylight>
> >
> >
> Gnome is an Ubuntu default I think ... :-) so far I have a slight KDE
> preference, but XFCE is also nice ... <GRIN>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Russell
>
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